Julia and Victoria acknowledge that they do not always know what is going on while diving headfirst into the incredible debut poetry collection from Ocean Vuong: Night Sky With Exit Wounds.

Julia and Victoria get into their feels with A Thousand Mornings, a book of poetry written by Mary Oliver, and chosen by their special guest Samira Sakbay.

Julia and Victoria spend a good portion of their conversation about Citizen: An American Lyric by Claudia Rankine trying to figure out what a Lyric poem is. After that they can finally get into all the reasons why Rankine’s incredible, multi-media work about the experience of being a black person in America should be required reading for, well, everyone.