Julia and Victoria acknowledge that they do not always know what is going on while diving headfirst into the incredible debut poetry collection from Ocean Vuong: Night Sky With Exit Wounds.

Julia and Victoria get into their feels with A Thousand Mornings, a book of poetry written by Mary Oliver, and chosen by their special guest Samira Sakbay.

Naoki Higashida brought the tea with his most recent book in translation Fall Down 7 Times Get Up 8 about his experience as a non-verbal autistic young adult, and an extremely successful writer and speaker. Julia and Victoria share some of their favorite insights from his work on everything from ableism in education to the importance of allowing disabled people to express their full humanity in a world that prefers to pretend they do not exist.

Julia and Victoria spend a good portion of their conversation about Citizen: An American Lyric by Claudia Rankine trying to figure out what a Lyric poem is. After that they can finally get into all the reasons why Rankine’s incredible, multi-media work about the experience of being a black person in America should be required reading for, well, everyone.

In this week’s episode on The Poet X by Elizabeth Acevedo, Julia and Victoria talk about the journal entries they wrote as teenagers, Julia’s failings as a Spanish translator, using tweezers to write poetry, and how rare it is to find nuanced discussions of religion in YA fiction.