Julia and Victoria wrestle with their frustrations with The Book of Form and Emptiness by Ruth Ozeki and try to get to the bottom of important questions like, “What happened?” and “Who is this book for?”

Julia and Victoria outline the parallel narratives of We Were Eight Years In Power: An American Tragedy by Ta-Nehisi Coates: 1. The journey of Coates as a writer and thinker on the rise during Obama’s presidency, and 2. His essays unraveling the true tragedy of America’s history buried underneath the country’s larger-than-life myths.

What can we learn about embodiment from an octopus? And what does that have to do with neurodiversity and empathy? Julia and Victoria discuss all this and more with their friend Cayla, whose special interest is octopuses, as they dig deeper into The Soul of an Octopus by Sy Montgomery.