Julia and Victoria are joined by their new literary friend Caleb Tankersley to discuss Caleb’s debut story collection Sin Eaters. They enjoy a lovely ramble about the process of creativity and the value of writing what makes you happy. Plus: some important Oreo discourse.

Julia and Victoria have an impromptu therapy session discussing And Then We Grew Up by Rachel Friedman about the complicated relationship creative adults have with the art forms they pursued in their youth.